U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., got into a ferocious “stolen election” battle with ABC News anchor George Stephanopoulos during the Sunday broadcast of “This Week.”
The heated exchange began when Stephanopoulos asked the Republican senator if the accepted that the 2020 presidential election was “not stolen.”
“What I would say is that the debate over whether or not there was fraud should occur, we never had any presentation in court where we actually looked at the evidence. Most of the cases were thrown out for lack of standing, which is a procedural way of not actually hearing the question,” Paul explained.
“There were several states in which the law was changed by the secretary of state and not the state legislature. To me, those are clearly unconstitutionally and I think there’s still a chance that those actually do find their way up to the Supreme Court.”
Paul added: “Were there people who voted twice? Were there dead people who voted? Were there illegal aliens who voted? Yes, and we should get to the bottom of it.”
“I have to stop you there. No election is perfect. But there were 86 challenges filed by President Trump and his allies in court, all were dismissed. Every state certified the results,” Stephanopoulos said. “Can’t you just say the words, this election was not stolen?”
Paul responded: “What I would suggest is that if we want greater confidence in our elections, and 75 percent of Republicans agree with me, is that we do need to look at election integrity and we need to see if we can restore confidence in the elections.”
The ABC host, who is a former press secretary for Democratic President Bill Clinton, claimed Republican voters were “fed a big lie” by the president that the election had been stolen, adding that former U.S Attorney General William Barr, a Trump appointee, has claimed there was no evidence of widespread voter fraud.
“George, where you make a mistake is that people coming from the liberal side like you, you immediately say everything’s a lie instead of saying there are two sides to everything,” Paul said. “Now you insert yourself in the middle and say that the absolute fact is that everything that I’m saying is a lie.”
“This election was not stolen!” Stephanopoulos angrily asserted. “The results were certified in every single state after counts and recounts.”
“You’re saying there was no fraud and it’s all been investigated, and that’s just not true,” Paul fired back. “You say we’re all liars. You just simply say we’re all liars.” WATCH THE INTERVIEW:
“I said it was a lie – that the election was stolen,” Stephanopoulos replied.
“There were lots of problems and there were secretaries of state, who illegally changed the law and that needs to be fixed, and I’m going to work harder to fix it and I will not be cowed by people saying ‘Oh, you’re a liar,'” Paul told the anchor.
“Let’s talk about the specifics of it. In Wisconsin, tens of thousands of absentee votes had only the name on them and no address. Historically, those were thrown out. This time they weren’t. They made special accommodations ’cause they said, ‘Oh, it’s a pandemic and people forgot what their address was.'”
Stephanopoulos said, “I’m standing by facts. There are not two sides to facts. I did not say this was a perfect election, I said the results were certified, I said it was not stolen. It is a lie.”
“There are not two sides to this story,” Stephanopoulos added. “This has been looked at in every single state.”
“You’re forgetting who you are,” Paul told the newsman. “You’re forgetting who you are as a journalist if you think there’s only one side. You’re inserting yourself into the story to say I’m a liar because I want to look at election fraud and I want to look at secretaries of state who illegally changed the voter laws.”
ABC News headlined its own summary of the exchange as: “Sen. Rand Paul continues making false claims of 2020 election fraud.”
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